Compulsory CBT?

28 July 2014 - 14:17

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Hi Grams & Others

This post is about Gram's idea of starting a thread about how CBT could be improved. He suggested the idea in another thread about how to make best use of professionals whilst undergoing CBT. I think this will become an important issue in the context of a Daily Telegraph report on the 13 July 2014 that the government is thinking of making it compulsory that people will have to accept therapy if they are to receive benefits such as ESA and are diagnosed with anxiety or depressive conditions. According to the article the plan consists of on line therapy in addition to face to face therapy as well as connecting back to work sessions with therapeutic interventions. I have no experience of on line therapy and feel it would be interesting if there were comments on the effectiveness of such approaches. 

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8 August 2014 - 22:32

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Hi Goofy, Hi everyone

It sure does get you thinking this topic, Lets keep going for any treatment options there are as Truddles was saying we owe it to ourselves to get better and start to regain our lives as many of our lives are affected, we are not living the lives we want when we are busy with our compulsions and rituals.

The live and let live thoughts I tend to think that there is more beneath the surface when we start to assess someone to see if they are entitled to any benefits, I say go for it as we are suffering enough with ocd so need the help, In terms of people being a bit greedy it probably happens in all areas of life but the point I'm trying to get at is I tend to think the word greedy is bit strong maybe they might be exploiting the system, I think if we start to attack the system in this way it might hurt people who are in need of help. Sorry I haven't put my point clear there but lets say we start to label someone as greedy in terms of benefits I really believe there might be more beneath the surface, there might be certain issues, they might have a big family lots of children to look after. (I remember seeing one man who had a large family, I don't think he was working but he sure was getting bullied for his lifestyle choice, I didn't like to see the man get bullied I thought that was upsetting).

I believe we are all brothers and sisters in the sense that we are here to help each other, encourage, not to demoralise or bully anyone no matter what situation he or she finds herself in.

That's my view on things feel free to disaggree. (I hope I have not went off topic there).

5 June 2017 - 23:35

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Hi,we have the nhs cbt and private therapy if uve cash that is! And support groups in some areas ,but at the end of the day its down to us ocders to make the most of watever help is available and have some quality of life !we can go on about this goverment scheme or that scheme or watever lol ,we live in a day and age of cuts not giving us more support !we us have got to help ourselves ,support groups are quite good if u can get out and make it,
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6 June 2017 - 20:50

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Hi Dave

How are you getting on? long time no hear.

 

11 June 2017 - 23:03

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Hey grams!,yes it is mate and thanks for asking ,not to bad im working hard every day and making some improvment since last time ☺,reduced the bathroom time and seeing abit more of the world -need to addres some other things tho,whats appening with u mate?
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16 June 2017 - 11:41

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Hi Dav

Have not had as many harm thoughts as of lately but I don't want to tempt fate by saying that. I went to bed very early yesterday, it was almost six o'clock as I felt very tired and couldn't keep my eyes opened. My bathroom time as well I tend to find myself over cleaning and have tried to take small steps to spending less time in the bathroom.

16 June 2017 - 18:02

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CBT is about 50-60% successful mostly because people want reassurance. Meds, 40-50%, but combined 80%.  I'm not sure what that refers to, a one year success, or one month? but those are typical numbers,

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That was me looking over the thread again, interesting. Yes I feel that we do have to have a good rapport with our therapist and if we do we can probably get the right type of support. 

There will be a lot of people who might be reluctant to give therapy a try, as Trudy was saying we owe it to ourselves to get better. Maybe sometimes we might have to look at the reason why someone might not want to try therapy and there could be a host of reasons. Many people might be very secretive about their condition, others might feel that therapy might be intrusive. (We could probably think of loads of reasons for wanting to avoid therapy)

I can understand and maybe forcing someone to try therapy might not be the best approach. I would encourage and try to encourage them a lot of the time but if they do say no we have to respect their decision. IT could sometimes lead to the case where the person with the condition is sectioned which might involved forced intervention to help the sufferer.

As Orwell was saying I think the combination of both medicine and CBT can be vital to recovering from the condition as the statistics that Orwell posted were saying.

Orwell made me think of this which was do therapists give us reassurance, maybe. Part of me thinks yes they do and it might not be about the ocd but more about the sufferers encounters like if there was a family argument or something similar. In a sense we could probably say that a therapist gives us reassurance. I'm probably thinking too deep about the subject.

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Yes grams, therapists are trained to give reassurance, but not OCD therapists. Many users don't know how to find a qualified OCD therapist. Maybe there should be a topic on it? Also, thy listen for an hour or two then prescribe drugs without a discussion of side effects, use, etc.  

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